"The Last Word" transcript

On Today FM, May 29th, 2008

-We're trying to bring in as many voices as possible about the Lisbon Treaty Referendum, and here's a different voice. Somebody we hadn't realised, until days, is actually very, very interested in the Treaty: Jim Corr from The Corrs. Hello to you Jim!

-Thank you very, very much for having me on to talk about this issue.

-No problem!

-Of course I'm aware that I'm not a politician, but I'm a concerned citizen in relation to this Lisbon Treaty.

-Indeed, I was just going ask you before we find out whether you're yes or no, why is it that you are actually interested and have gone through the effort of actually ploughing through this treaty?

-Because I've been studying... three years ago when I came off the road, I had time on my hands and I started to study a particular thing called "The New World Order". I have done extensive study and research into this, this particular thing of which the European Union is a part of, and I feel now is the time for me to convey the information that I have uncovered, which by the way millions upon millions of people have been uncovering as well.

-When you say "New World Order" and the part of the European Union in that, what do you mean?

-This is what it is: the European Union is a stepping-stone towards a world government, a one world government. The whole idea is that they're going to merge the European Union with the Asian Pacific Union, with the African Union and the North American Union. And many people mightn't have heard of the North American Union: what has been done in stealth, a security and prosperity partnership, and it's been talked about at length on CNN by Lou Dobbs in particular, also the ex-president of Mexico, Vincente Fox, talked about this; what they're doing is merging Mexico with Canada and with North America. They're going bring in a new currency called the Amero. Eventually what will happen is that we'll merge with the Europe-African Union, the Asian Pacific Union for centralised control global governance to form one world government.

-Why?

-Control freaks, basically. The elites within our society, they are total control freaks. They want to centralise control over everything. It's much easier to control what appears to be one country as opposed to controlling many many countries. This is what the European Union is about. The European Union started out as economic integration and look at it now: it's gone into political integration.

-But hasn't it become more difficult to actually exert that control? For example, the Soviet Union tried to do it, and because it became too big, too cumbersome, it broke up.

-That's why I think it was broken up, on purpose. It's basically divide and rule. They wanted to reduce the power of the Soviet Union, that was the whole purpose of this. This is an intergenerational plan that's been on for possibly hundreds of years of which the European Union is merely a stepping stone towards that.

-And how do you think the Lisbon Treaty is going to play to that?

-Well this is the thing. Can I read you something from the architect, and he's just the front man for these elites behind the scenes. The architect of the Lisbon Treaty, Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, he said recently (actually in June 2007) to LeMonde newspaper in France, I quote: "Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them directly. All the earlier proposals will be in the new text but will be hidden or disguised in some way."

-That's the constitution. The old constitution was rejected by the French and the Dutch voters. 95% of it is coming back to us in the form of the Lisbon Treaty. But they have taken out things like the common national anthem and other common things like that.

-??? said it's about 96% exactly the same.

-Do you think it's a stepping stone towards further things, further integration of power...?

-Absolutely. When you hear George Bush talk about the New World Order -'we can see a new world coming at the view'- this is exactly what he's referring to. This is the purpose of the Counsel in foreign relations, the round table Illuminati group in the States: to push for global governments. Also, other round table groups are trying to do this. Now all the indications are that it's going to be a dictatorship, a scientific dictatorship. My understanding, and millions of people are waking up to this, the agenda is to lock us in a technocracy - an inescapable scientific dictatorship. Now you can already see signs of this happening all across the west due to this war of terror. When you study the war of terror, the catalyst for the war of terror was 9/11 and that was the catalyst for the incremental implementation of draconian measures all across the west, particularly in the US and the UK -you've got the Patriot Act, you've got Patriot Act Vol. 2, Homeland Security Act in the UK. I have no doubt that you're going to see the same draconian measures being implemented right across Europe. Particularly when our national sovereignty further erodes we're going to see the destruction of incrementally civil liberties in this country.

-Doesn't the Lisbon Treaty have the Charta of fundamental rights which actually gives human rights for individuals the prime position in the treaty?

-Yes it does, but here is an example of 'cognitive dissonance'. When you read something, and it all appears very rosy, wonderful stuff in it, and you don't take in fully the second line or the third line in relation to this. I'll give you an example of this. Here we have it: the first lines, all wonderful stuff: "Everybody has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedoms to hold opinions and to receive and import information and ideas without interference by public authority and the guards of frontiers." And you move on down the line and you read: "The exercise of these freedoms may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law." Let me give you another one from the European convention of human rights. This is another indication of the deception that is deeply within this Treaty. Article 1: "Everybody has a right to life." Number 2: "Nobody shall be condemned to the death penalty or executed."

-That's all sorts of positive things.

-Hang on, if you go down the line, then it says: "A state may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts committed in time of war or imminent threat of war." That means the European Union endorses the death penalty.

-Give that to me again.

-"A state may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts committed in time of war or imminent threat of war."

-Which provision is that? Where is it in the Treaty?

-That's article 2 of the protocol number 6. That's the European convention of human rights. So very, very worrying: what we're seeing is tip-toe totalitarianism. They're changing systems here in the west. We're moving into a blend of super-capitalism and communism. It's been done, it's been done incrementally, via gradualism, so that you're not suddenly going to introduce all these laws in a hurry because people will go "hey, what on earth's going on here?", except it's done gradually, very, very gradually, taking people's liberties away: that's been happening in America and the UK.

-Your arguments in favour of a no-vote of the Lisbon Treaty are not arguments I have heard articulated by many people before. How many people do you think subscribe to your point of view?

-There are millions upon millions of people waking up to this. What is the nexus doorway into the bigger picture is 9/11. If you study 9/11 it becomes very apparent -once you wade through the dis-info and everything related to that- that not only it's all not what it seems but it was a staged terrorist attack, what they call a "false flag operation".

-By who?

-Many, many people across the globe believe now that it was carried out by rogue elements within the Bush neo-con administration with the help of the intelligence services. Overwhelming evidence points to that.

-Such as?

-First of all, we were lead to believe that 19 hijackers armed with box cutters orchestrated by a guy in a cave carried out 9/11. As it turns out, none of those 19 hijackers' names were on the passenger manifest of the air planes. At least 8 of them have turned up alive, wondering why their names have been associated with this.

-Where have they turned up alive?

-One of them went to the embassy in Jadda (sp?) and showed his passport and said "This is me, this is my date of birth, why am I associated with this?" It has been reported in the mainstream media that 8 of those guys have turned up alive. As it turns out, 3 of the alleged hijackers were actually trained at a US naval base, the US Pensicola. But there are so many inconsistencies and it's very important to understand 9/11 because as I've said it's the nexus doorway into the bigger picture of what is going on, and the push towards global governance. Look at those buildings as they come down: they come down at free fall speed, collapsed neatly - everything was absolutely pulverised. They didn't find a chair, they didn't find a desk, so what caused that? It couldn't have been jet fuel, it certainly doesn't burn hot enough to do that, it must have been explosions.

-You think there was explosives packed into the Twin Towers before the planes hit the Twin Towers, and that the fuel from the planes acted as a detonator for all the bombs that were in the Twin Towers?

-No, that was just for show, the shock when we saw the initial burst. Evidence of thermid, which cuts through steel like a hot knife through butter was found on the steel. It was all shipped off by Guiliani to South-East Asia to be melted down, so they couldn't get it. They cleared the site of forensics but one guy managed to get -

-What would you say if someone said that these sound like conspiracy theories? That these sounds that they are way out there?

-I understand. I hate conspiracies. I've never been into conspiracies. What I've become is a truth seeker. And I'm very careful. Obviously I'm taking a chance coming out here and saying this. I'm leaving myself subject to ridicule. I would encourage listeners watch one documentary online, go to Google Video, it's called "9/11 mysteries". Go and watch that, make up your own mind - don't just believe what I'm saying, make up your own mind as to what is the truth as to what went on that day.

-Jim Corr, thank you very much for taking the time to join us in the program.

-Thank you very, very much.

(Interviewer: Matt Cooper)